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Apr 26 2024

avivey closed T15731: Editing Ponder Comments is broken as Resolved.

Can't reproduce either - 🤷🏻‍♂️

Apr 26 2024, 06:38 · Ponder, Bug Reports
20after4 added Q133: Tags instead of subtypes (Answer 166).
Apr 26 2024, 00:27

Apr 25 2024

waldyrious removed a watcher for Affects-Wikimedia: waldyrious.
Apr 25 2024, 22:07
Jack_who_built_the_house added a comment to Q128: How deeply is Ponder integrated with the rest of Phorge? (Answer 159).

@20after4

Instead of just putting it out there and letting it either succeed or fail based on the merits, there is a lot of bureaucracy around consensus building. Sadly it's just the way things are with a community/organization as large and as socialistic as Wikimedia has become.

I can relate to that. We can hardly change the social structure, but we can change the technical side. This is why I made Convenient Discussions, which contributed to speeding up processes in the communities where it was used. No more pain of meticulously editing wikitext to participate in discussions. Wikipedia has "wiki" in its name meaning "fast" in Hawaiian.

Apr 25 2024, 21:52
Iniquity asked Q133: Tags instead of subtypes.
Apr 25 2024, 20:28 · phorge.it install
Iniquity added a comment to T15731: Editing Ponder Comments is broken.

@avivey hi!
I cant reproduce it. Is the problem still there?

Apr 25 2024, 20:16 · Ponder, Bug Reports
Iniquity updated the answer details for Q130: How to join the group "Trusted Contributors"? (Answer 160).
Apr 25 2024, 20:15
valerio.bozzolan attached a referenced file: F706889: image.png.
Apr 25 2024, 19:26 · Ponder, Bug Reports, UX
valerio.bozzolan attached a referenced file: F706886: image.png.
Apr 25 2024, 19:26 · Ponder, Bug Reports, UX
valerio.bozzolan attached a referenced file: F706925: image.png.
Apr 25 2024, 19:26 · Ponder, Bug Reports, UX
Iniquity added a comment to Update From Phabricator.

This guide is up-to-date up to 2022 Week 37.

@valerio.bozzolan hi! :) It seems to me that this proposal may scare someone away, since it feels like this guide is two years out of date :) Is that true?

Apr 25 2024, 19:24
Iniquity added a comment to T15082: Consider allowing milestone columns to be ordered arbitrarily on workboards.

It seems to me that this problem can be solved with an additional setting that turns this functionality on or off.

Apr 25 2024, 19:10 · Discussion Needed, Affects-Wikimedia, Workboard
Jack_who_built_the_house updated the task description for T15797: Ponder: edits to answers are not reflected consistently in comments to it.
Apr 25 2024, 19:09 · Bug Reports, Ponder
Iniquity awarded T15694: Consider adopting the "search results context highlighting" feature from Wikimedia's fork a Love token.
Apr 25 2024, 19:08
Iniquity added a comment to Q129: [bug] Ponder: edits to answers are not reflected consistently in comments to it (Answer 165).
Apr 25 2024, 18:40
Iniquity moved T15798: Add a link to a pre-filled Ponder queue with a project tag in the project menu from Backlog to Feature requests on the Ponder board.
Apr 25 2024, 18:36 · Ponder
Iniquity updated the task description for T15798: Add a link to a pre-filled Ponder queue with a project tag in the project menu.
Apr 25 2024, 18:36 · Ponder
Iniquity created T15798: Add a link to a pre-filled Ponder queue with a project tag in the project menu.
Apr 25 2024, 18:33 · Ponder
Iniquity added a comment to Q129: [bug] Ponder: edits to answers are not reflected consistently in comments to it (Answer 165).
Apr 25 2024, 18:26
Iniquity edited Description on Ponder.
Apr 25 2024, 18:13
Iniquity added a member for Ponder: Iniquity.
Apr 25 2024, 18:10
Iniquity moved T15171: Ponder: add "Hide" button on your answer from Backlog to Feature requests on the Ponder board.
Apr 25 2024, 18:10 · Ponder, User-valerio.bozzolan
Iniquity moved T15711: Ponder: "New Answer" input box should be hidden for those without permissions. from Backlog to Bugs on the Ponder board.
Apr 25 2024, 18:10 · Ponder, Bug Reports, UX
Iniquity moved T15731: Editing Ponder Comments is broken from Backlog to Bugs on the Ponder board.
Apr 25 2024, 18:10 · Ponder, Bug Reports
Iniquity moved T15797: Ponder: edits to answers are not reflected consistently in comments to it from Backlog to Bugs on the Ponder board.
Apr 25 2024, 18:10 · Bug Reports, Ponder
Iniquity moved T15450: Configure another Ponder Question status "Closed, Graduated" from Backlog to Feature requests on the Ponder board.
Apr 25 2024, 18:09 · Ponder, phorge.it install
Iniquity added a project to Q128: How deeply is Ponder integrated with the rest of Phorge?: Ponder.
Apr 25 2024, 18:08 · Ponder, Phorge
Iniquity added a project to T15731: Editing Ponder Comments is broken: Ponder.
Apr 25 2024, 18:07 · Ponder, Bug Reports
Iniquity added a member for Trusted Contributors: Jack_who_built_the_house.
Apr 25 2024, 18:06
Iniquity added a project to T15450: Configure another Ponder Question status "Closed, Graduated": Ponder.
Apr 25 2024, 18:06 · Ponder, phorge.it install
Iniquity added a project to T15711: Ponder: "New Answer" input box should be hidden for those without permissions.: Ponder.
Apr 25 2024, 18:05 · Ponder, Bug Reports, UX
Iniquity added a project to T15797: Ponder: edits to answers are not reflected consistently in comments to it: Bug Reports.
Apr 25 2024, 18:04 · Bug Reports, Ponder
Iniquity closed Q129: [bug] Ponder: edits to answers are not reflected consistently in comments to it as resolved.
Apr 25 2024, 18:03 · Phorge
Iniquity added Q129: [bug] Ponder: edits to answers are not reflected consistently in comments to it (Answer 165).
Apr 25 2024, 18:02
Iniquity created T15797: Ponder: edits to answers are not reflected consistently in comments to it.
Apr 25 2024, 18:01 · Bug Reports, Ponder
Iniquity closed Q131: Why is the Ponder project archived? as resolved.
Apr 25 2024, 18:00 · Phorge
Iniquity added a project to T15171: Ponder: add "Hide" button on your answer: Ponder.
Apr 25 2024, 17:59 · Ponder, User-valerio.bozzolan
Iniquity added a comment to Q131: Why is the Ponder project archived? (Answer 162).

Thanks!!

Apr 25 2024, 17:58
aklapper updated the diff for D25598: Fix exception for anonymous viewers on dashboard query panels with user-specific data.

Oh liberate me from my previous flawed attempts, almighty arc

Apr 25 2024, 17:58
aklapper updated the diff for D25598: Fix exception for anonymous viewers on dashboard query panels with user-specific data.

Faster logic, higher performance, and better looking strings! Now all included in this brand new version!

Apr 25 2024, 17:55
valerio.bozzolan added inline comments to D25598: Fix exception for anonymous viewers on dashboard query panels with user-specific data.
Apr 25 2024, 15:19
valerio.bozzolan added inline comments to D25598: Fix exception for anonymous viewers on dashboard query panels with user-specific data.
Apr 25 2024, 15:16
aklapper added Q132: Why is there an `outline-style: none;` declaration for all links within Phorge/Phabricator? (Answer 164).
Apr 25 2024, 11:09
avivey added a comment to Q131: Why is the Ponder project archived? (Answer 162).

Done - #ponder now refers to the new (active) tag.

Apr 25 2024, 06:45
avivey created Ponder.
Apr 25 2024, 06:45
avivey set the color for Ponder (archived) to Red.
Apr 25 2024, 06:45
avivey renamed Ponder (archived) from Ponder to Ponder (archived).
Apr 25 2024, 06:45

Apr 24 2024

Iniquity added a comment to T15056: Improve Dark Mode.

Another example of broken dark theme

image.png (955×1 px, 84 KB)

Apr 24 2024, 20:24 · User-Cigaryno, User-valerio.bozzolan, Accessibility, User-Bukkit
Iniquity updated the task description for T15056: Improve Dark Mode.
Apr 24 2024, 20:24 · User-Cigaryno, User-valerio.bozzolan, Accessibility, User-Bukkit
Iniquity added a comment to Q131: Why is the Ponder project archived? (Answer 162).

Thanks for the answer! Can you recreate it please!? :)

Apr 24 2024, 19:58
Iniquity added a comment to Q130: How to join the group "Trusted Contributors"? (Answer 160).

Thanks! :)

Apr 24 2024, 19:49
valerio.bozzolan added a comment to Q132: Why is there an `outline-style: none;` declaration for all links within Phorge/Phabricator?.

You are now in the family of Trusted Contributors :) Patch welcome.

Apr 24 2024, 18:50
valerio.bozzolan added a member for Trusted Contributors: banaanihillo.
Apr 24 2024, 18:47
valerio.bozzolan added Q132: Why is there an `outline-style: none;` declaration for all links within Phorge/Phabricator? (Answer 163).
Apr 24 2024, 18:46
banaanihillo asked Q132: Why is there an `outline-style: none;` declaration for all links within Phorge/Phabricator?.
Apr 24 2024, 18:14
aklapper updated the answer details for Q128: How deeply is Ponder integrated with the rest of Phorge? (Answer 159).
Apr 24 2024, 16:20
Jack_who_built_the_house added a comment to Q128: How deeply is Ponder integrated with the rest of Phorge? (Answer 159).

BTW, check this out, WMF's Developer Satisfaction Survey is just out; there is a section on Phabricator there, and we see some evidence very much supporting the hypotheses I outlined:

  • Almost everybody uses Phabricator: {F2157279}
  • Shared space for staff and volunteers is what people value in Phabricator: {F2157280}
Apr 24 2024, 15:23
aklapper updated the answer details for Q128: How deeply is Ponder integrated with the rest of Phorge? (Answer 159).
Apr 24 2024, 07:42
avivey added a comment to Q128: How deeply is Ponder integrated with the rest of Phorge? (Answer 161).

I thought we had a ticket for "allow more things to show up in workboards", but I can't find it.

Apr 24 2024, 06:27
avivey moved T15210: Personal Workboards from Backlog to Features on the Workboard board.
Apr 24 2024, 06:25 · User-valerio.bozzolan, Workboard
avivey moved T15231: Maybe make automatic workboard display sub-projects as columns? from Backlog to Discussion Needed on the Workboard board.
Apr 24 2024, 06:25 · Discussion Needed, Workboard
avivey added Q131: Why is the Ponder project archived? (Answer 162).
Apr 24 2024, 06:22

Apr 23 2024

20after4 closed D25540: Add PhutilRemarkupHexColorCodeRule, a new remarkup rule to format color codes.
Apr 23 2024, 21:45
20after4 committed rP4d12d014fd9d: Add PhutilRemarkupHexColorCodeRule, a new remarkup rule to format color codes.
Add PhutilRemarkupHexColorCodeRule, a new remarkup rule to format color codes
Apr 23 2024, 21:45
20after4 added a comment to D25540: Add PhutilRemarkupHexColorCodeRule, a new remarkup rule to format color codes.

I think the current syntax should be ok because it isn't normal to use {} around a project name. And my regex only matches exactly 3 or 6 hex digits, as demonstrated in the hex-color-code.txt test file.

Apr 23 2024, 21:42
20after4 updated the answer details for Q128: How deeply is Ponder integrated with the rest of Phorge? (Answer 161).
Apr 23 2024, 21:35
20after4 added Q128: How deeply is Ponder integrated with the rest of Phorge? (Answer 161).
Apr 23 2024, 21:33
20after4 updated the answer wiki for Q130: How to join the group "Trusted Contributors"?.
Apr 23 2024, 21:26
20after4 updated the answer wiki for Q130: How to join the group "Trusted Contributors"?.
Apr 23 2024, 21:26
20after4 closed Q130: How to join the group "Trusted Contributors"? as resolved.
Apr 23 2024, 21:24
20after4 added a comment to Q130: How to join the group "Trusted Contributors"? (Answer 160).

Trusted Contributors membership granted.

Apr 23 2024, 21:24
20after4 added a member for Trusted Contributors: Iniquity.
Apr 23 2024, 21:23
Iniquity added a comment to Q130: How to join the group "Trusted Contributors"? (Answer 160).

And I clearly missed being able to answer my colleague's question (Q128) that week.

Apr 23 2024, 19:32
Iniquity added a comment to Q130: How to join the group "Trusted Contributors"? (Answer 160).

I am an active member of the MediaWiki technical community (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Iniquity/), and when I learned about the Phorge I wanted to do create some tasks. Plus I wanted to edit this task T15056 at least :)

Apr 23 2024, 19:31
20after4 updated subscribers of Q131: Why is the Ponder project archived?.

Good question.

Apr 23 2024, 19:25 · Phorge
20after4 updated the answer details for Q130: How to join the group "Trusted Contributors"? (Answer 160).
Apr 23 2024, 19:21
20after4 added Q130: How to join the group "Trusted Contributors"? (Answer 160).
Apr 23 2024, 19:21
20after4 added a comment to Q128: How deeply is Ponder integrated with the rest of Phorge? (Answer 159).

@Jack_who_built_the_house This is one of the things that always frustrated me with Wikimedia projects, there is a tendency to discourage doing something new or trying something experimental. Instead of just putting it out there and letting it either succeed or fail based on the merits, there is a lot of bureaucracy around consensus building. Sadly it's just the way things are with a community/organization as large and as socialistic as Wikimedia has become.

Apr 23 2024, 19:16
Iniquity updated the question details for Q131: Why is the Ponder project archived?.
Apr 23 2024, 18:56 · Phorge
Iniquity asked Q131: Why is the Ponder project archived?.
Apr 23 2024, 18:56 · Phorge
Iniquity asked Q130: How to join the group "Trusted Contributors"?.
Apr 23 2024, 18:13
Jack_who_built_the_house updated the question details for Q129: [bug] Ponder: edits to answers are not reflected consistently in comments to it.
Apr 23 2024, 10:43 · Phorge
Jack_who_built_the_house added a comment to Q128: How deeply is Ponder integrated with the rest of Phorge? (Answer 159).

Alright, more questions arise as we discuss this in increasing detail, so I guess we should continue at an appropriate platform once and if this moves forward.

Apr 23 2024, 10:37
aklapper updated the answer details for Q128: How deeply is Ponder integrated with the rest of Phorge? (Answer 159).
Apr 23 2024, 10:08
Jack_who_built_the_house updated the question details for Q129: [bug] Ponder: edits to answers are not reflected consistently in comments to it.
Apr 23 2024, 09:16 · Phorge
Jack_who_built_the_house added a project to Q129: [bug] Ponder: edits to answers are not reflected consistently in comments to it: Phorge.
Apr 23 2024, 09:16 · Phorge
Jack_who_built_the_house asked Q129: [bug] Ponder: edits to answers are not reflected consistently in comments to it.
Apr 23 2024, 09:16 · Phorge
Jack_who_built_the_house added a comment to Q128: How deeply is Ponder integrated with the rest of Phorge? (Answer 159).

@aklapper

I think this would need a huge huge discussion across Wikimedia communities which nobody has the capacity to plan and lead (my personal interpretation) in order to get to a rough concensus.

I'm also not sure you correctly interpret the premise, because what I fancy is quite limited in scope: it's supposed to be a (pretty organic IMO) development of what already exists on Phabricator and not part of some kind of great migration of Wikimedia communities to Phabricator to discuss technical issues. (Again, I can't even say confidently that there is something to migrate – questions that are of relevance to developers as opposed to end users are hardly even discussed on wikis.)

Apr 23 2024, 08:53
aklapper added a comment to T15152: MFA: Avoid to having to wait a minute so often, for example right after login.

A while ago I looked at this in downstream https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T259329#9354946 (long version).
In short, rPce953ea4479052c7e671c8c75af6833252ebefd4 and rP657f3c380608abc0fc59088d979457f1d8826f06 are the culprits.

Apr 23 2024, 08:48 · User-valerio.bozzolan
Jack_who_built_the_house added a comment to Q128: How deeply is Ponder integrated with the rest of Phorge? (Answer 159).

The answer to "What's the alternative?" comes at the end of a long process

(Right, but I'm responding to your opinion which also comes before the end of that process, and this question is supposed to be a part of the information-gathering phase of that long process which you're kind of deflecting even though I value your perspective.)

Apr 23 2024, 08:36

Apr 22 2024

siepkes added a comment to Q123: [Feature] Phorge integrates with Keycloak (Answer 155).

looks like "OIDC is just OAuth2", so it shouldn't be impossible.

Apr 22 2024, 16:25
aklapper updated the answer details for Q128: How deeply is Ponder integrated with the rest of Phorge? (Answer 159).
Apr 22 2024, 13:00
Jack_who_built_the_house added a comment to Q128: How deeply is Ponder integrated with the rest of Phorge? (Answer 159).

@aklapper

Part of the argumentation is based on a wrong assumption as Wikimedia Phabricator is not "used in numbers". Please compare the number of Wikimedia wiki editors and Wikimedia Phabricator users (minus some developers only). There are still many on-wiki folks who are uncomfortable using Wikimedia Phabricator.

But what is the alternative, on-wiki discussions? Does this actually work or can it? E.g. I have a question about a class of OOUI. Where do I go?

  • Talk page that discusses that specific class (e.g. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:OOUI/Windows/Process_Dialogs)?
  • Main talk page of OOUI?
  • Extension talk page?
  • Some things also have pages on local wikis (and, as a discussant on such a wiki, you often have to say to people "Hey, this is not discussed here, the devs responsible don't visit this page").

And how probable it is that right people will come across that topic? Especially if the question is esoteric and only few people know how the component works. The devs who write them are often more known by their Gerrit/Phabricator handles, not wiki accounts.

Apr 22 2024, 10:20
aklapper updated the answer details for Q128: How deeply is Ponder integrated with the rest of Phorge? (Answer 159).
Apr 22 2024, 08:42
aklapper updated the answer details for Q128: How deeply is Ponder integrated with the rest of Phorge? (Answer 159).
Apr 22 2024, 08:35
valerio.bozzolan added a comment to T15526: Diffusion: Description and tags are not shown.
(From Task description)

In diffusion repositories, Description and tags are hard to find or never shown (only show in Manage page).

Apr 22 2024, 08:32 · Good Starter Task, UX
valerio.bozzolan removed a task from D25538: Separate repository home and browse view in tab menu: T15526: Diffusion: Description and tags are not shown.
Apr 22 2024, 08:29
valerio.bozzolan removed a revision from T15526: Diffusion: Description and tags are not shown: D25538: Separate repository home and browse view in tab menu.
Apr 22 2024, 08:29 · Good Starter Task, UX
valerio.bozzolan added a comment to T15526: Diffusion: Description and tags are not shown.

Which exact page(s) is this ticket about?

Apr 22 2024, 05:11 · Good Starter Task, UX
valerio.bozzolan added a task to D25538: Separate repository home and browse view in tab menu: T15526: Diffusion: Description and tags are not shown.
Apr 22 2024, 05:09