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Discuss communications channels (IRC, etc)
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An IRC channel would be nice for support and such, as many people use the platform, and are used to it. There are already a number of people in #phorge on Libera. We can register as a community and have full control over the #phorge namespace.

In T15032#943 @eax said that all communication should happen in the instance, but it would be nice to be able to communicate on IRC as well. While Conphrence is nice, I know I would be more likely to see a message on IRC, since the other projects that I work with are all on IRC.

At the same time we could also think about potentially supporting other platforms, such as (Telegram, Discord, etc).

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MacFan4000 renamed this task from Discuss wcommunications channels (irc, etc) to Discuss communications channels (IRC, etc).Jul 26 2021, 18:23

I would certainly be happy to work with Libera staff to get the community registered.

FWIW I don't object to support or community channels off-instance but I do think we need:

  • all decisions should be made on-instance
  • we should have a culture of ensuring that any "interesting" discussions get recorded on-instance.
In T15035#1008, @eax wrote:

FWIW I don't object to support or community channels off-instance but I do think we need:

  • all decisions should be made on-instance
  • we should have a culture of ensuring that any "interesting" discussions get recorded on-instance.

That makes sense to me. I would agree with that.

Are there any thoughts about a matrix channel? It would also be possible to bridge it to IRC.

Are there any thoughts about a matrix channel? It would also be possible to bridge it to IRC.

Well; it seems that if phorge utilizes libera.chat, they (somewhat) automatically get matrix coverage via #channel_name:libera.chat. (ref). Somewhat second-class treatment, but it's at least there.

Are there any thoughts about a matrix channel? It would also be possible to bridge it to IRC.

We could certainly do that, though it would depend on what others think (edit, yeah, should be fine with the channel that we'd get through Libera that is bridged)

I prefer IRC but don't have any issues with having Matrix bridged there, but I would prefer to not have separate unbridged channels to reduce fragmentation of the already-small community.

I just want everything "important" to be happening here, where the search and cross-references works and async communication is easy.

I don't mind having irc/zillow/matrix/whatever in addition, if it helps the community grow. Probably not more then one channel (or a few that are bridged together), to help the focus.

And probably not Conpherence - it's not good enough at being a chat, and the cross-ref features aren't much better than other tools

I think Phabricator's Discourse actually worked alright for support.

We don't seem to have any opposition to having a community/support IRC channel, so perhaps I'll start working with Libera staff on registration.

I'm not a big fan of IRC because in order to look through history or pickup where a user last joined it requires individual users to maintain their own tooling/practices. The temp-community chat was the first Zulip chat that I've used, and installed the mobile app for. I thought Zulip worked pretty well and wouldn't mind continuing with that. I've used Matrix (Element?) briefly but didn't feel too strongly about it. It's probably worth mentioning that our current Zulip instance has ~135 members and we've still had ~1-2 new people join per week lately. Though there's not much actual discussion going on there.

Just as a note, All of the mentioned chat platforms can be bridged together.

To be fair, I'm almost certainly not going to install yet another client just for this community chat. (I know I'm not alone in this, projecting forward into the project's future.) Matrix + IRC with bridges to the other protocols seems the way to go. (I'm usually on IRC...albeit, not much this month because my plate's full.)

Is there information about the IRC channel or Matrix channel on how to get set up? If there's chat I'll try to join in but I won't be able to be always-connected.

For irc there is Phorge on Libera.chat. I’ve submitted a ticket for community registration after speaking with staff, but I haven’t heard back. (Ticket was submitted 3 weeks ago). Matrix - not sure

Matrix - not sure

I was able to trigger the creation of a bridged room in Matrix. #phorge:libera.chat

Hey everyone, I just learned about the Phabricator situation and I'd love to contribute to the project in any capacity I can. I've been around the discourse for some time and love Phabricator to bits and would love to keep it and see it thrive again!

@TitanNano with the matrix bridge up could you provide instructions on how to connect to that? I setup the Element client on my machine but I'm not sure how to get on that phorge channel.

In T15035#1188, @speck wrote:

@TitanNano with the matrix bridge up could you provide instructions on how to connect to that? I setup the Element client on my machine but I'm not sure how to get on that phorge channel.

I just know how to do it in element (the official client). You click on Add room in the sidebar and click "Explore public rooms". In the dialog that pops up you paste in #phorge:libera.chat and hit enter to connect.

I didn't manage to get #phorge:libera.chat to work, but here's what I did:

Click on RoomsExplore Public Rooms then make sure to switch the "Matrix rooms" dropdown to "libera.chat"

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After doing so you can then search for IRC chatrooms like #phorge

So, I sent a community registration ticket back in July,and never heard back. They say they have a backlog. I think though it would be easier if we do a project registration and have it be done by somebody who can verify that they represent Phorge. (either through a file on the web root or else DNS)

For the record we are up to 22 user in the channel currently.

So, I sent a community registration ticket back in July,and never heard back. They say they have a backlog. I think though it would be easier if we do a project registration and have it be done by somebody who can verify that they represent Phorge. (either through a file on the web root or else DNS)

Scratch that, a staffer contacted me and the project is now registered. #phorge is now registered.

Any admin who wants flags in the channel, or wants to be a group contact can just let me know. (For now I've given flags to @20after4 and @Matthew)

Thanks for setting this up. I would like to be a group contact for the room.

@speck I can’t get you added as you aren’t currently authenticated with NickServ.

Thanks for the ping, @MacFan4000. I am in and out because this is my last full-time semester, but I do see the room and have been checking in on it.

I think this task is mostly resolved. The zulip chat is a temporary thing, and it hasn't been used anytime recently. We could bridge the IRC channel to it if we wanted to have a more permanent zulip instance.